Dan and Paul talk about Paul’s current project, Not So Far. Strap yourself in for a looser than usual chat. You can see the photographs he’s made for this project on his Instagram @paulbenceuk.

Dan and Paul reminisce about some of the lessons they’ve learned by chatting for a whole day in today's episode. We share the difficulty of sharing these conversations publicly every week, announcing our move to a fortnightly release schedule. Reach out if you want to sell your work through the Idle Hands Shop. You can now support with The Idle Hands Tip Jar. We dive back down the UFO rabbit hole; maybe we live in a simulation? We get back on track give you a sneak peek at some upcoming guests. And you’ll be rewarded with an exceptional treat if you listen to the very end!